Why Cane And Dalrock Are Both Wrong

Agamemnon–one more night–will have to wait.

For the moment let us feign that the the dead horse is not dead and hit him once again.  Cane Caldo stirred the Manospherian pot over at Dalrock’s–for those who just woke from a couple Rip Van winks go here–with his admittedly faulty take on Christianity and Game.  So many roused to the battle cry and shouted down any number of misunderstandings, misrepresentations, whatnot.  The response was strong enough that Cane now has his own sounding chamber which has been better reading than his first screed at Dalrock’s. All this has kept the wheels turning over the question. Is it to their benefit to know it, or to their detriment? Is it sinful, sacred, or unimportant.  There have been enough answers already.

The real question is do Christian men need Game.

The answer is yes they do.

Christian men already have the bible, but their understanding of it is twisted and juvenile (read feminist).  The bible isn’t about being a man; it is not a training manual for humanity.  It is a book about God; not only the author but also the protagonist.  The bible is God’s story not man’s story.  The bible was given to man so that he might gain understanding about God, any understanding gained about man is secondary.  The bible speaks the truth about God.

On the other hand, Game is about men.  Just ask Matt Forney; what wimmenz think, not important.  Game speaks the truth about man and wimmenz.

Christian men need Game.  Game is a practical manual for masculinity 101 (classes in the 200’s, 300’s, and 400’s come later, for Doctorate levels check with Nigel, heh).  Game is testable, verifiable.  The bible’s veracity cannot be tested so directly, it is not a practical guide.  It may tell that the Fall occurred because the woman desired to rule the man, that the man would rule his wife, that she was the weaker vessel and should submit to him, that the husband responsible for the wife’s sanctification, should love her and sacrifice himself for her sanctification; but what does that all mean?

The truth is an uncomfortable and avoidable facet of living, as the bible is concerned with the truth of God and not man, it should be of no surprise that the truth about man is easily contorted from biblical passages. Doesn’t the book itself warn of false teachers, false prophets and false spirits all which must be tested? But if one is without the truth, what is falsity to be proved against? The truth of God can be tested against the Word itself, but what of man?

Game can be tested in five minutes at a grocery store, at a bar, over dinner with one’s wife. Hypergamy can be proved in a moment of contemplation on observable reality.  Game is practical in its ability to provide results and cut away lies. (Also for banging sluts. I make no apologies for the harsh treatment of harlots.)

Truth is a nasty business; to throw a man into it one must be direct, forceful, and undeniable.  There must be no room rationalization. The beta’s hamster must be nuked.  The Christian hamster must be doubly nuked for he who questions the Churchian way must repent before the priestess of the six-inched-heeled pastorate.  When the Churchian overlords, meaning well in their own delusions, seek to destroy a man they do so from an erroneous belief that God has ordained them to such a task.  The Churchian hamster has been baptized in the name of the feminized, half-man, goddess-son Jesusa Chryst-ine, the sweet wittle wamb of god (Lion of Judah need not apply); all questioning which goes against the overlords is a slippery slope; such must not be tolerated. But the nuke of Game, even to the repentant man, continues to seep and like a man camping at Chernobyl, the radiation is gonna getcha.  Truth will win out, it cannot perish.

For those who would question whether God would approve Game as a destroyer and punisher of his fallen church, might I suggest Nahum, Habakkuk and the other minor prophets? And the start of Ezekiel.  The feminized west is the Harlot and Game has splayed out her nakedness for derision and scorn.  But don’t forget the wittle lamb wants to give you a big hug and not let anybody hurt your wittle feelwings.

Do Christian men need philosophy?

Before the Matrix we had Plato’s cave. It is not the way Plato meant it, but the metaphor is fitting.  This false reality is a mere shadow of the truth; the she-pig who would feign she is strong and independent, but she is a shadow of strength and depends upon the very chains which hold her to the wall to hold her up at all.

Truth is the beauty of philosophy.  Philosophy’s purpose is to seek wisdom, both in answering questions and in their asking; important questions seeking after the very nature of things, rerum natura; a foundation of metaphysics, ontology, et al. One might be well served in using the bible as a source but the work, the thoughts, they are built with another tool altogether: philosophy.

Like Game it has been used for hedonistic ends, for wicked and sinful ends; as justifying socialist mass murders–I’m looking at you Nietzsche, Hegel; indulgence beyond original intentions, Epicurus; such a wide number of other dalliances that the enumeration wouldn’t end before the fall of Feminism.

Do Christian men need art?

Asking questions is not enough for a man to reach the depths of the deeper things in life.  He must channel the muse, the daimon, the angels and spirits, the whatever whatnot that man has always suspected existed beyond his understanding; that is, until the most recent generations were paired with an ever lowering intelligence and ever higher credentials list and a budding hubris beyond the pale of any Greek tragedy.  The arts Music, Poetry, Sculpture, Dance, and Painting removed from the modern bastardizations reach into the spirit of man and touch something impalpable, effervescent.

But the very masters of the arts, those men who first put themselves under the command of those daughters of Mnemosyne, were they not pagans? Were they not the makers of idols and graven images? Does Ovid not praise a love not unlike that sought by the PUAs? Did Aeschylus and Euripides and Sophocles seek after a false god, and dedicate their work to the same? And the impetus of dance? Did it not begin with the Eleusinian mysteries and the Bacchanal parade?

Do men need Aristotle? Do men need Plato? Do men need Tacitus? Has Christianity not benefited greatly from them? Have Christian men not sought and found refuge in Michelangelo, in Tintoretto, in Correggio? And what of Adolphe Adams and Wagner? Homer, Ovid, and Virgil? There are more pillars of the West than contained in the bible, and all collided to make Christendom the greatest civilization to have existed.

Who is to say that the wisdom of Roissy and Roosh will not carrying men into the next generation searching after a deeper truth?  We are undoubtedly in a valley of crisis, subdued by modern -isms and their entailing pathologies, there is however, one place which cuts at the truth.  That place is the home of Game, and PUAs are our king.

The problem isn’t that men are not following the bible closely enough, but that it was never meant to be all man needs.  Man was not made in a vacuum with a book, he was, allegedly, made in a garden (bitches came later).

What is worse, the man who banged twenty sluts, or the culture that raised a spiritless generation for destruction in fire and brimstone?

Veritas numquam perit,
The Poet

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15 Responses to Why Cane And Dalrock Are Both Wrong

  1. nexus says:

    Thank you for this post. Its easy to feel as though you are doing something wrong when competing for desirable women, as though it is somehow sinful to pursue beauty and selfish to want to produce strong, healthy offspring. These, however, have been the ultimate aims for every living organism since the dawn of time.

    Every man needs game. I would go further and say that game is a noble pursuit, as no man is fully in control of his ‘love life’ without it. The PUA movement has developed into something far more significant than originally conceived and we are now the avant-garde in making essential adjustments to society, to ensure the survival of our own species. Men need to be re-empowered so they can get on with the important work of producing strong, healthy offspring and maintaining a habitable environment for future generations.

    • Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) says:

      Dalrock & Vox’s Christianity is not the Christianity of Jesus Christ

      Posted this at Dalrock’s blog, who placed my comments in limbo, as the words of Christ in the Sermon on the Mount are considered to be “too disruptive” on a Christian blog. lzozlzozozlzo. & dat is why like d da heartsites as heartises never cesors da words of jesus christ as heartsites does not fear them zlzolzoozzlzoz for his soul is pure

      http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/08/11/losing-control-of-the-narrative/#comments

      Interesting that this post should be titled “losing the narrative.”

      Dalrock states that Christians need “Game,” and Vox writes, “I’m neither the first nor the only one to notice the intrinsic relationship between Biblical Christianity and the foundational concepts of Game: Women are fallen and women are inherently different than men. Being truth, Game is a subset of Christianity that happens to relate to an area of particular importance and interest to men.”

      Vox states that Game is Truth and that it is a subset of Christianity. The most-respected, most-read, and most-profound blogger on Game is Heartiste. His “Sixteen Commandments of Poon” summarize Game:

      http://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

      Heartiste makes no claims of being a Christian, but he may well be, as there are those who say they are not going, who go, just as there are those who say they are going, who do not go.

      Dalrock and Vox are stating that the teachings of Heartiste are the same as those of Christ, who, by all accounts, defines Christianity. Dalrock and Vox are thus submitting that the Sermon on the Mount actually goes something like this:

      The Beginning of the Sermon on the Mount
      1 And seeing the multitudes, Dalrock went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciple Vox came unto him:
      2 and he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

      The Beatitudes
      Lk. 6.20-23
      3 ¶ Blessed are those who fuck her good: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      4 ¶ Blessed are they that ignore her beauty: for they shall be comforted. Is. 61.2
      5 ¶ Blessed are the irrationally self-confident: for they shall inherit the earth. Ps. 37.11
      6 ¶ Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after two women in the kitty: for they shall be filled. Is. 55.1, 2
      7 ¶ Blessed are the ones who never say “i love you” first: for they shall obtain mercy.
      8 ¶ Blessed are they that keep her guessing and never marry her: for they shall see God. Ps. 24.4, 5
      9 ¶ Blessed are they that make her jealous: for they shall be called the children of God.
      10 ¶ Blessed are they which are persecuted for too much boldness: 1 Pet. 3.14 for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      11 ¶ Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for Game’s sake. 1 Pet. 4.14
      12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets 2 Chr. 36.16 · Acts 7.52 which were before you.

      Folks–if we are to regain Christianity, will it come from men acting less Christain and perverting the teachings of Christ, or will it come from men following the true teachings of Christ over Game?

      I leave you with the true teachings of Christ, and I fully understand that I may be censored/banned/persecuted for doing so:

      The Beginning of the Sermon on the Mount
      1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
      2 and he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

      The Beatitudes
      Lk. 6.20-23
      3 ¶ Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      4 ¶ Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Is. 61.2
      5 ¶ Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Ps. 37.11
      6 ¶ Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Is. 55.1, 2
      7 ¶ Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
      8 ¶ Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Ps. 24.4, 5
      9 ¶ Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
      10 ¶ Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: 1 Pet. 3.14 for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      11 ¶ Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 1 Pet. 4.14
      12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets 2 Chr. 36.16 · Acts 7.52 which were before you.

      The Salt of the Earth
      13 ¶ Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Mk. 9.50 · Lk. 14.34, 35

      • Heligoland says:

        Holy crap!

        The crazy lozlozl guy is a real, actual Christian!

        Blessed are those who hunger and thirst, brother, blessed are those!

  2. “Christian men need Game. Game is a practical manual for masculinity 101 (classes in the 200’s, 300’s, and 400’s come later, for Doctorate levels check with Nigel, heh). Game is testable, verifiable.”

    Spot on. I’m currently writing a post about morons who say game doesn’t work. Will be including this and other parts of your article.

    “The bible’s veracity cannot be test so directly, it is not a practical guide.”

    I disagree – I’d say the New Testament IS a practical guide. Christians follow the life and teaching of Jesus

    “but that it was never meant to be all man needs”

    Completely agree. There’s no way one single book can contain everything there is to know about the world – science, engineering, art, philosophy, medicine.

    • Looking forward to read what you’ve got brewing.

      On the New Testament, I think an argument could be put forward that some of the letters contain practical advice (the Timothies come to mind), but I would say that could not be claimed for the Gospel accounts or the Acts and not the more theological letters of Paul like Hebrews or John’s Revelations. This doesn’t mean that lessons can’t be taken from the New Testament; they can. My point is that the bible is not a field guide proper. If one is to take a lesson from it he must come at it with a philosophical bent and ask what it means and what one can count true from it. The reader my concoct the lesson from what is groked of the text.

      For instance, Day Bang provides elderly openers for different venues that the reader can immediately try out; Roosh explains how to best pick a seat in a coffee shop, or how to stalk a lady on the streets to open her at a crosswalk; The bible provides no canned openers for budding evangelists, it gives a handful of examples like Peter’s sermon at Pentecost, he and John before the Sanhedrin, and again for the Silver and Gold cripple; Steven’s speech to the Jews and a more detailed interaction with Phillip and the Ethiopian.

      Where Roosh tells me I should ask a woman if I could pull off some crazy article of clothing, where to find a pet store, or how she is enjoying the intricacies of the plot of Crime And Punishment, all I get from the bible is, “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.” How?

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  5. dannyfrom504 says:

    “Who is to say that the wisdom of Roissy and Roosh will not carrying men into the next generation searching after a deeper truth? We are undoubtedly in a valley of crisis, subdued by modern -isms and their entailing pathologies, there is however, one place which cuts at the truth. That place is the home of Game, and PUAs are our king.

    The problem isn’t that men are not following the bible closely enough, but that it was never meant to be all man needs. Man was not made in a vacuum with a book, he was, allegedly, made in a garden (bitches came later).

    What is worse, the man who banged twenty sluts, or the culture that raised a spiritless generation for destruction in fire and brimstone?”

    i’m really tired of the animosity among the guys. we need more solidarity in the sphere and less division. it’s rough enough out there WITHOUT us being at each others throats.

    • I absolutely agree. The above was never intended in bad faith, even for Cane as the primary antagonist. The issue with Game and Christianity needs to be aired before any solidarity will be reached. We are mixed here with two camps, one accepts Game tabula rasa, the other accepts that it works but disapproves the methodology as something wicked. The twain might be brought together but more time and more words must be spent.

      • Cane Caldo says:

        For the record: I understood this, and took no umbrage.

        Danny, you raise a good point that I am still carving into a post. Been gone, but more time and words coming.

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  7. I have to respectfully disagree.
    The bible is a the defacto field guide for men in the training of morals, character, defacto righteousness and holiness which leads to life, knowledge / fear of God, wisdom, peace, joy, and spiritual well being. Btw, Adam blew it because He choose to listen to his wife who listen to the serpent. The outcome would have been different if he would have simply listened to G_d.
    Read about OT/NT prophets who stood for the truth no matter what any else thought or was doing and was killed in the process. This takes training to develop that that type of resounding character to stand for the truth / God.
    Moral virtue / character that doesn’t bend the knee is brought through a relationship with G_d.
    It teaches a man how to be a man of discipline, character,integrity based on chaste and moral and spiritual strength.
    Couple of points:
    The scriptures are written from a Hebrew male dominated society (ie chauvinistic) in the light of treating with kindness and women to fear/respect their husband.
    The Jews have contributed more any other race in the world from the stand point of sciences, law, relationships, and religion.
    To use game 80% of the time on American women equates to damaged goods- this is a unsuitable wife and mother material.

    Shalom

  8. Again we have game apologetics that address anything but game.

    Do men need art?
    Do men need Aristotle et al?

    Well……no…..we do not NEED these things.

    Are they good? Are they innately good? yes on the first, no on the second. Oddly those answers are both rooted in the writings of some of that same group of philosophers of old, how oddly perverse to twist it around like this. Its like dropping obscure quotes (and the requisite reference) into something in order to make a statement that could have as well been made in a straightforward way.

    Its not so simple as to read those who cast questions on game as being per se anti-game even if prima facia that’s as it seems. You so easily confuse the veracity of game with the necessity, among myriad other rank closing tools so common throughout and across the game-o-sphere.

    You ask
    “”The real question is do Christian men need Game.”

    “The answer is yes they do.'” (statement, no support)

    and you reply

    “”Game is about men. Just ask Matt Forney; what wimmenz think, not important. Game speaks the truth about man and wimmenz.”” (definitional)

    “”Game is a practical manual for masculinity”” (definitional, categorical)

    “”Game can be tested in five minutes at a grocery store,”” (veracity)

    “”Do Christian men need philosophy? Do Christian men need art?”” (do Christian men need _____________? irrelevant, these are not analogies they are distractions)

    Basic Sophistry

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